Epoch Changing Event by 10/30/2018?, Maybe!


I recently ran across a discussion on the Atheist Experience, a You Tube channel with a 2 hour call in show Sundays, where there are usually two hosts who take callers that are believers and offer to discuss with them.  The opening question is “What do you believe, and Why do you believe it?”.  I have been watching this channel for about a year now.  Sometimes when I watch I find myself incredibly amused, and sometimes the discussions leave me rather depressed and despairing of human nature.

Two months ago there came a reference to Chris Langan and his CTMU (Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe). Now I shall not bore you with long quotes from what he has released (just a PDF, his real Book is not yet published).

It is easy enough for you to google  “ctmu”, and you will find pages and pages of what he has said, as well as pages and pages of what mathematicians, physicists, and linguistic experts think about what he has put out.  (I should note that he will not publish in the major peer reviewed magazines.  Instead he favors the Creationists publications for his productions.

I shall not share with you my reasoning on his CTMU, I shall just supply some random thoughts below. I suggest you read the first 10 paragraphs of his PDF before you yourself make any comment at all.


Chris Langan has reportedly claimed that he will prove that god exists with an equation of not more than 80 symbols.  He has an acolyte that went on the Athiest Experience show on 10/30/2016 and spoke at length to the hosts, Russell Glasser and Tracie Harris, about what he had to pass on from the “Prophet” also “The Master”.

I will include a link to the show at the bottom of this essay so that you can watch and listen to it yourself  if you wish. “Sam”, aka as Luke Skywalker, in YouTube comments section, speaks from 00:24:00 to 00:55:00 on the video, the entire video is 1 hours and 42 minutes long.


Key: Sam = Chris Langan acolyte.  Russel = Host of Atheist Experience. Tracie = Host of Atheist Experience.  Some of the main points discussed:

Sam – (asked about Langan invented term “Unbound Telesis”) says “If you take all of reality and remove everything”, then what would remain is “God, unbound telesis”

Sam – (in elaboration) “the medium that holds all of the universes that exist, ours and all other possible ones”, ….. “that medium would be God”

Sam – (more elaboration) “How far back can you go if you take away Dark Matter, if you take away anything that is Observable, or is Material, how far back could you go? The Final (sic) that would end the regress, that is God!” [1] see below

Russell – asks: “So you take reality and remove Everything that is real, that would be God?”.

Sam – “Exactly!”.

Russell – “That means that God would be Nothing”.

Sam – in rejoinder – “What would be outside of the Universe, It would be God, it wouldn’t be Nothing, it would be God”.[3]

On being further pressed by Russell about exactly what is meant by the undefined (by Chris Langan) term Unbound Telesis[2] see below. Sam – expounds – “Freedom unbound by Constraint, that is an Unbound Telesis!”.  [My thought “HUH? Couldn’t that be reworded into “Freedom not bound by any constraint” isn’t that contradictory? Are you saying God is contradictory?

After listening to Sam – aka Luke Skywalker for 30 minutes, I must admit that my head was spinning.

[1] this is basically nothing but Saint Thomas Aquinas thesis’s 1-3 claiming that there can be NO infinite regress. (logical fallacy of Special Pleading)

[2] Chris Langan never defines the term, instead he gets into the Bertrand Russell Class of All Classes paradox for about 20 pages of discussion.  But his “Unbound Telesis” seems to be a rehash of the definition of total “Nothingness”.  Not the definition of nothing to Physicists, but a total state of “Negation”. As Sam might have put it “Take all of Reality and remove the Reality, take away Everything, and which results, We call God”. (logical fallacy of Argument from Ignorance)

[3] But this is nothing but Negation, How can we test a true case of Nothingness if we do not have Nothingness to compare with Somethingness? (logical fallacy of Negation)


It seems to me that with all of the Jargon that Chris Langan and his acolyte Sam, aka Luke Skywalker, throw around there is basically nothing new here.  He is actually arguing from the same playbook as Aquinas, in effect: Infinite Regresses not allowed – the only Infinite’s allowed is GOD. As previously said, Special Pleading, everything must follow this rule EXCEPT God.

Then there is the Unbound Telesis, a mishmash of the Second Law of Thermodynamics argument, along with Nothingness means Nothingness, no existence, no parameters, no material, no nothing!  Brings to mind Kant: “From Nothing, Nothing Comes” which is just “Something does not come from Nothing”, Negated!

And yet when pressed by the hosts of Atheist Experience when something testable would be released, Sam said that Chris Langan will publish his work within 2 years.  He predicts that upon publication of his thesis and its mathematical equation of no more than 80 symbols: “All the worlds current religions will collapse and be replaced by a One World Religion!” Huzzah!, or perhaps I should say Alleluia!

If Sam, aka Luke Skywalker, is correct then by the end of this upcoming October we shall all be worshiping in a whole new religion!  Be prepared to sell your Bible stocks, heck perhaps you better sell them now before the market collapses.

YouTube Video link below: